welcoming ms.static to frolic on the uncommons
hello all
we once were 3, and now at armin's good suggestion, we are 4
welcome ms.static, sound artist and artist thinker, whom i first met (i think) in the desert in central australia, at dancer/choreographer Tess de Quincy's magical 2-3 week workshop Triple Alice (a great research model in fact and perhaps something of interest given armin's desire to do moe reseaerchy workshop events)
ms.static and i re-met recently in a secret-to-me lawn at the university we are both attending with our remote telebodies, and we discussed doing an interview which we wd post at TNL..so now perhaps we might do it!
the uncommons is a very ad hoc space where we share stuff that ranges from tiny fragments of our domestic lives to pieces of our writings-cooked, or cooking
we tend to leave the uncommons for months at a time, then pop back in for a while...at the moment we are popping in for tea and snacks more frequently than before
we have kept the door closed becos (at least for me) the writing i am sharing is pretty rough and rugged, and i wouldn't want most ppl seeing it
it's very shy writing, and also it's always having a bad hair day
ms.static please post whatever u feel like posting...u won't necessarily get a critique but i think u might enjoy the experience of feeling others tracing your path from a distance..we are now quite intercontinental -- oz, india, scotland+sea, london+vienna+,......
doll
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dancing and walking
hello again again!
ms static, as i've just posted a rather large rant that is very processual rather than poetic (sorry but these things need to be thrashed out occasionally and its good for me to be put on the spot as to where my 'making' comes into the practice/theory debate!) i wondered if you could explain a bit further what your study is about and what you mean by making-writing-making? this might help me to understand better how you are thinking about your work in this (sometimes) complicated world called 'research'... its great to have examples of how others have dealt with it and their reasoning behind it.
as regards the dance theory, i agree. i have sophia lycouris's first chapter of her thesis which was submitted in 1996. it is quite dry, but contextualises very nicely improvisation and the relationship between practice and theory within the discourse of 'problemitisation' and foucault. problemitisation is an emergent way of working with theory much like grounded theory, but broader and more substantial, with an awareness of the lack of objectivity in observations. i found reading this chapter useful as it outlined types of theories, that in their original format i would have found difficult, but because it was used in the context of her work i found it accessible. she also stated at her talk that this would not be the way she would work now, in other words she would not place so much emphasis on the written word!
as it is not my thesis to give, i will not upload it here as i do not have permission to do so; but i will mail it to doll, who can perhaps forward it onto you ms.static? armin i'll cc you in too for your reference.
p.s. we have a student here who is using walking as a methodology, not new i know, but in relation to where a thesis might sit, it is ...
1/8 of 80% of a chapter
hi ms.static would you maybe like to share 1/8 of 80% of a chapter with us?
and I would love to see some images of that vegetable market
lurkative distract-a-cats and medium term solutions
hello again
> i love the idea of lurkative media - ms.static have u written about this concept at all??
:)
i have written a very short rant here:
http://northeastwestsouth.net/site/node/316#comment-754
it's something i would like to write more about
i have been thinking a lot about pro-lurking sound work (eg: max neuhaus' works such as times square piece) vs. anti-loitering low level sonic aggression (such as symphonic loop used to move on aboriginal loiterers fromt he front of central station (also drove employees nuts) in sydney and similar strategies in many other places). working a bit around speeds and slownesses, especially th latter.
> difficulty of integrating the sound medium into a practice-based thesis,
> have you found a way to resolve this on your terms?
things are still a bit up in the air as i haven't really resolved my supervisor changes - but i think the basic shape is now going to be:
making - writing - making
now i'm on the writing [or more accurately 'aajkal' than 'now', which could be around about now, comprising aaj=today and kal=tomorrow or yesterday...]
i was lurking in the library and stumbled across a wonderful stash of dance/theory books which i scanned with glee. i think that these will be a useful place to go for a number of reasons:
1 - dance tends to be ephemeral and live and deal with embodied knowledge and therefore is a good place to look at how others have dealt with writing these questions
2 - in thinking movement in the city it's useful to think about movement - (i have also grabbed a load of stuff on every possibe variation of going for a walk that i could find)
3 - it's not always been clear to me how my previous life, in which i studied dance and physical theatre for many years, integrates with this one in which i make radio and do stuff online. but i'm sure it does in many ways - so it hink this will help me figure out a bit more what that relationship comprises.
i had been wondering who had got all this stuff in as the only dance teaching i know abou at uts is more education oriented and all the books for that are at another campus...i later accidentally found out that my friend noel sanders had ordered it all while he was library liaison before he retired, just because the stuff looked interesting not because it related to a specific course. i appreciate his foresight. let's see how this goes.
i like this line from michel serres' book genesis a lot: 'dance is to the body proper what the exercise of thought is to the subject known as i'.
just gotta keep dancing in the kitchen...?
ah, thanks
for the clarification .. that makes more sense to me :-}
last week when i took my first body to the farmer's market i just missed a tram to get there and that was annoying
but it turned out to be serendipitous because i walked a few tram stops along the road by the park, and on the bark of a tree i saw a giant moth - a first i thought it was a bird or a bat
as far as i know we don't get these mega-fauna moths here in adelaide so it was quite a sighting
and one which pleased the first body deeply
context of statement
with this statement she was referring to the traditional framework of the PhD, in evaluating with (written) theory and the process of writing that theory. the more holistic and unpredictable aspects of experience, intuition and experimenting she very much (like you) relates to artistic processes which is bodily, because the first body and the second body are working together... we perhaps become aware of that fact when we are emmersed in the elements, the air and the acoustics of life.
re-membering the body
thanks for the dancer links lindsay, the work is interesting!
i disagree with the dancer's statement tho ..i find it is all too easy to forget my (first) body (when studying, when deep in artmaking, when messing about with ideas) but it is at those times that i remember my body, especially when i put on some clothes-not-to-be ashamed-to-be-seen-in (ie i change out of my trakkie and uggboots into proper clothes) and step outside into the world and walk to the market and look at the sky and trees and listen to the birds and notice the seasonal changes ..its at those moments that my mind becomes refreshed and i start having new thoughts (most of which i will have forgotten by the time i get back to study-land) and i feel alive again, and re-membered, and re-organed, and re-minded!
Second Body
'One must forget about the body to be an academic'
Sophia Lycouris, Dancer, Choreographer and occasional academic (Director of Graduate Research, Edinburgh College of Art)
Who's Afraid of Artistic Research?, seminar, Dundee Contemporary Arts and Dundee Universtiy, May 8th 2009
http://re-title.com/artists/sophia-lycouris.asp
Pranic-based research
hi ms.static, and all
i love the idea of lurkative media - ms.static have u written about this concept at all?? i'm wondering how it connects with rooftop radio, and mossy rock 2.0 - very nicely i imagine!
the way you give us a snapshot of study/practice life in delhi is wonderful ... and in a way i want to request u post a picture, and in another i don't, because i enjoy what my imagination makes of your words
one of the things i (think i) remember us talking about in sydney was the difficulty of integrating the sound medium into a practice-based thesis, because it seemed to require a duplication of effort -- the writing necessary (from the uni's perspective) to explicate your practice -- which in the end meant you had to do a writing thesis as much as the art thesis
have you found a way to resolve this on your terms?
as a tangential side note, on thursday i was given an ayurvedic massageby one of my neighbours who is studying ayurveda (ancient indian system of healing). it was quite unusual method (but v pleasant) which massager explained was to do with it working on my 2 bodies - the physical body and the pranic body (which i think is like an energy flow body).
i'm contemplating in the far reaches of my mind how the academy and the thesis production is part of western cultural production, and how our researches might be differently explicated if we were embedded in a different cultural context. What a pranic-based research might be like, for instance
anyway..its a cool autumnal saturday and i have decided not to go to an art and publishing seminar and instead stay home and try to finish part 2 of my chapter on hong kong (which i will post here if it gets cooked today). there's a link to ms.statics' ps about uni of tech in sydney mebbe building over a lawn, with stuff i was reading yeserday by media activist oi-wan lam, who links some devts in the tertiary sector in HK - like building over green spaces - with the growing trend to internationalise uni's there - part of the world-wide 'edu-factory'
http://interlocals.net/?q=node/195
hello
thanks for such a warm welcome and nice intro - it's lovely to be invited into such a space - as an active proponent of mossy rock 2.0 who prefers lurkative media to locative media, whose writing, just now, would make many hairdressers weep with frustration as it emerges from the tangled epistemological quagmire that is doing-practice-as-research-in-the-academy, it's especially nice to find a come-as-you-are bring-a-plate-party. all food tastes better shared.
i divide my time between delhi and sydney. at the moment i spend most time in delhi where i'm living in a tiny flat perched on a rooftop - with my drupal coding geeky partner, two hilarious distracta-cats, and some nascent experiments in roof-gardening. i'm affiliated with sarai/csds where i have been working on some toolkit projects around transmission practices with their cybermohalla project. i'm into low cost diy distributed hybrid radio experiments which sound awful but are great fun. often these are focussed around food and in collaborations with others in the loose and open foodradio_network. ten minutes walk from my house is the best veg market i have ever seen in my life. at the moment i'm thinking a lot about listening time and motion and sound in public space. i can hear a lot of construction work going on right now.
s
[p.s. it seems that lawn is going to get a building on it over the next couple of years :( ]
hello also from me
hi ms.static how are you doing, are you in Delhi? armin-admin
it would be
... rude not to welcome you ms.static, so welcome to the uncommons...
lindsayx~